tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post5602672855407128360..comments2024-03-25T01:20:22.817-04:00Comments on a bengali in TO: Sacrifice: Here or There?mezbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-10707923633936025492006-12-14T15:36:00.000-05:002006-12-14T15:36:00.000-05:00I personally believe you should sacrifice a goat. ...I personally believe you should sacrifice a goat. God wants it. He wants to see if you care for him and if you will do a such thing like that. I beleive it is cruel, but I also believe that you should. Give your money to sacrifice a got, but give more to the needy. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-16383748727285393242006-12-12T05:49:00.000-05:002006-12-12T05:49:00.000-05:00yep mezba, im not objecting to people eating anima...yep mezba, im not objecting to people eating animals for food or the killing of some animal. but the bloodlust thing i found 'weird' <br />( - atavistic perhaps?) - okay if it went to an abattoir it would be more 'pleasant' and i daresay we wouldn't find out about the bloodlust. the sacrificing the animals on the street brought out itnto the <i>open</i>. it's an interesting point - for me - anyway. people seemed to be a bit <i>delirious</i>. i mean a sacrifice is just that, right - a <i>sacrifice</i>. what's the meaning of the word? we seem to have lost out on that a bit. what i found disturbing ( im interested in human nature - and i was still a child then ) was the glee/celebration in all the actual <i>killing</i>. im interested that the distinction isn't picked up on usually. celebrating the killing of an animal vs. the celebration of food. yeah it can be conflated in people's minds - and of course there doesn't necessarily have to be a focus on the killing which is of course a means to an end. <br />in my long-winded way im trying to say that i picked up on sth in that experience which i felt was a bit 'dodgy' - that's what i meant by the term 'bloodlust'. i felt that the sacrifice of the animal and the ritual around the offering of thanks for the food appeared to suit a lot of people's <i>instincts</i> in some way. <br /> <br />ah well. no one else seems interested in analysing this sort of stuff. i think most people just want to follow their religion and not observe too closely the effect /dynamics of society around them. it's an identity thing for so many of us isn't it? i find your blog interesting mezba because you seem to be quite an acute 'observer' of society. ( and an amusing one) Hence me leaving all these bits and pieces of my thoughts on your blog..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-42945754061284589362006-12-12T00:22:00.000-05:002006-12-12T00:22:00.000-05:00(Homer Simpson) Giraffes, Mmmm ....(Homer Simpson) Giraffes, Mmmm ....Saqi Namahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01546216775116026534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-57506586809828974402006-12-11T12:34:00.000-05:002006-12-11T12:34:00.000-05:00Aisha: Yes I think people there are in too much ne...Aisha: Yes I think people there are in too much need than those here (besides they have government assistance, welfare and whatnot), but my feeling is that we must do it here because we also have a duty to our locality. Besides, I feel, when we help poor people back home, we are placing their suffering at a higher worth than the poor here. Just my opinion. As I said, here or there, we HAVE to sacrifice.<br /><br />Abu Sinan: Thanks. One Eid here we DID go to the slaughter house and have it done the traditional way where we cut up the meat and all that. It was so unorganized and a mess that we decided from next time, we would let our butcher do all the work.<br /><br />Bfob: That's such a great piece of news. Given that the community of Ottawa is small, it should be much more notable. You are welcome to the sect of Imam Mezba!mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-42889815744185454292006-12-11T12:30:00.000-05:002006-12-11T12:30:00.000-05:00SF: seriously. Giraffe is halal as far as I know. ...SF: seriously. Giraffe is halal as far as I know. It satisfies all the criteria. I think it falls in same class as deer.<br /><br />Isheeta: Hooves factor only applies to Jews. For Muslims, that distinction is absent.<br /><br />"Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you." – Leviticus 11:4<br /><br />Also, the Quran states,<br />" And for the Jews We have forbidden all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful." – Al-An'am 6:146<br /><br />As for halal meats,<br /><br />"Forbidden to you are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it; that which is sacrificed on stone [Altar?]; [forbidden] also is the division by raffling with arrows: that is impiety..." – Al-Maidah 5:3<br /><br />Sorry, unable to find anything in the Quran with regards to cuteness factor.<br /><br />Sonia: Yes, competing in Eid is something not desired. The idea is to learn to sacrifice, and even those that do not eat meat go through the pain of losing money, seeing how the poor lives and feeling their want. As for blood lust, Dhaka should make laws about killing animals in slaughter houses. But when people are being killed on the streets, what's a cow or two?mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-52354417992695370342006-12-11T11:55:00.000-05:002006-12-11T11:55:00.000-05:00What a big conincidence! This week our local Bangl...What a big conincidence! This week our local Bangladeshi Muslim community discussed where we would donate the meat and guess what? It's the local food bank! And why? Because we thought that it's high time that non-muslims realized what good we do. Most non-muslims don't even know we donate meat to the poor, that zakat is a must, and all the good things.<br /><br />So yeah, I'm glad you were thinking along the same lines!<br /><br />Another coincidence perhaps is th fact that you talk about ppl wanting to just donate money instead of slaughtering an animal. You're right, but hte reason they gave was that if everyone started to donate money then the whole tradition of sacrificing an animal will be gone!<br /><br />I belive I'm a folower of your sect Imam Mezba. ;)The Bengali Fobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15923919818776172992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-50786994742182910752006-12-11T11:16:00.000-05:002006-12-11T11:16:00.000-05:00Good post. This is supposed to be the "big Eid."Good post. This is supposed to be the "big Eid."أبو سنانhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04213826171467402183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-46980496764962469232006-12-10T23:25:00.000-05:002006-12-10T23:25:00.000-05:00I've done both. Given money to have an animal slau...I've done both. Given money to have an animal slaughtered overseas given to those in need. Done it here and given it to people I knew in need. But the level of need is incomprable from here to there. Plus when I gave it to people here I felt weird giving them charity because they are proud people. An anonymous donor is best. Though that can be done domestically too.<br /><br />Personally I prefer overseas.Aishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756390674173743871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-63622595381284837152006-12-10T19:44:00.000-05:002006-12-10T19:44:00.000-05:00thank goodness i only had to experience this eid i...thank goodness i only had to experience this eid in dhaka twice - by the second year i'd worked out the only thing to do was to stay at home locked up hiding under the bed. I still can't believe the amount of bloodlust out there on the streets! And the whole place like one big abattoir. DId God say to kill everything alive on one day? Boy! that's some edict. Aren't we killing animals and eating them as food every other day? Personally i would have thought it's like thanksgiving - you say your thanks - and you have a day where you mark the fact that you're grateful for food. i get all that. saying thanks for food is one thing - im personally vegetarian but hey as you say meat is food - and we should offer thanks for our food. ( every day im sure..and share it with the poor too! ) that's all very well and good. but bloodlust - that's quite something else! and all these people competing as to how many animals they sacrificed. Gross. Umm - not quite in the spirit of the thing? ANyway...i daresay it would be nice if people shared their food more regularly and ..generally ..didnt' save all their 'goody-ness' for one day. <br /><br />*the party pooper has spoken* ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-35473321891362371612006-12-10T18:18:00.000-05:002006-12-10T18:18:00.000-05:00do they violate the hooves principle? what about p...do they violate the hooves principle? what about personal cuteness factor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-60438969172716315512006-12-10T17:18:00.000-05:002006-12-10T17:18:00.000-05:00We can eat girraffe?seriously???sfWe can eat girraffe?seriously???sfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-19552201837323436672006-12-10T17:09:00.000-05:002006-12-10T17:09:00.000-05:00Saqi:
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In the name of Allah the Beneficie...Saqi:<br />---------<br />In the name of Allah the Beneficient the Merciful.<br /><br />Slaughtering of giraffe is permitted according to the Blogger 2 school of thought. After consulting with Sheikh Google, he is of the opinion that as long as the giraffe's face is pointing towards Kiblah it is permissible. This could be difficult because a) the giraffe has a long bendable neck and b) it is on the list of endangered species.<br /><br />Allah knows best.<br />--------------<br />Seriously though, giraffe is on the list of halal animals. It's a grass eating grazing animal. I don't know if it is one of those sacrificable animals though (for example chicken is halal but not valid for Eid sacrifice).<br /><br />Isheeta: I would assume it tastes like beef or venison. I wouldn't mind McGiraffe!mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-10142535047092159062006-12-10T17:02:00.000-05:002006-12-10T17:02:00.000-05:00SF: Yes, I do miss the hullabaloo of this Eid that...SF: Yes, I do miss the hullabaloo of this Eid that we enjoyed there. That was another reason I wanted to go visit B'desh - I would get the Eid.<br /><br />Sad about your cousin brother though I couldn't help but stifle a chuckle at his goat predicament.<br /> <br />Mystic-soul: Shukran! Wah akhiri dawana anil hamdu lillah...<br /><br />Suroor: As far as the poor is concerned I am not too sure they have to be Muslims. If you count all the conditions of zakat, charity and zabiha it's always income and circumstances leading to poverty. I am sure you can help non-Muslim poor and relatives. And who knows, it may be a softening of their hearts.<br /><br />PS. I believe the early exposure to slaughtering those animals leads to toughening guys for some cruel facts of life :-)mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-44326362790173578252006-12-10T15:37:00.000-05:002006-12-10T15:37:00.000-05:00saqi didnt ask me, but my opinion....
does they t...saqi didnt ask me, but my opinion....<br /><br />does they taste like chicken?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-82540238552911862082006-12-10T13:53:00.000-05:002006-12-10T13:53:00.000-05:00>>So says Imam Mezba of the sect of Al-Blogifi.
T...>>So says Imam Mezba of the sect of Al-Blogifi.<br /><br />This is a Fiqh question, Dear Imam, what is your opinion on sacrificing Giraffes on Eid?Saqi Namahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01546216775116026534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-88446508797217775322006-12-09T23:50:00.000-05:002006-12-09T23:50:00.000-05:00Imam Mezba, you are soooooooooo cute! I feel very ...Imam Mezba, you are soooooooooo cute! I feel very sad on this Eid. I'm against cruelty to animals so I don't stare when the animal is being sacrificed. Aly is very good at slitting and staring! Recently we have started paying Red Crescent and they ensure that an animal is sacrificed in our name. I don't know how "kosher" this practice is but its convenient. Maybe this year we'll do it at the slaughter house. The only problem with that is RC doesn't accept meat and we don't have many Muslim relatives/friends to distribute the meat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-79329910014992982682006-12-09T21:52:00.000-05:002006-12-09T21:52:00.000-05:00Imam Mezba of the sect of Al-Blogifi... heheheheh
...Imam Mezba of the sect of Al-Blogifi... heheheheh<br /><br />Brilliant !!mystic-soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184104415212110374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-17407751293635659142006-12-09T20:12:00.000-05:002006-12-09T20:12:00.000-05:00I grew up in E.Africa.So on eids (both) we would b...I grew up in E.Africa.So on eids (both) we would buy goats. Since I was a girl, well, we were not to take the goats to go eat(bushes/grass,that grew around the neighbourhood). I remember vividly I would follow the neighbours kids (yes,I was kinda a tomboy those days),we would compare whose goat was bigger,stronger(yes, we made them fight),it was so exciting, feel really sad that my kids would miss all that hoohaa. The last eid I went back home, my daughter was only 2 yrs old and I didn't want to subject her to see the slaughtering of the goat,it would be too *harsh* and also she was really young. Once my sister in law told me this story about my brother in law, you see he never eats goat meat, so I wanted to know why. They told me that during the *big* eid, they had this goat that was at home since it was a kid(goat),my brother in law used to give it food/water, so one day, he comes home and he finds pple roasting some meat, they give him some to eat and he sits down eating and he asks his mom where his goat was,and they tell him,you are eating *it*. Well,so from then onwards he swore off eating goat meat! :( sfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com