tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post116014095147518071..comments2024-03-25T01:20:22.817-04:00Comments on a bengali in TO: Jack Straw's Comments On The Veilmezbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-45297244404617689012008-10-21T13:52:00.000-04:002008-10-21T13:52:00.000-04:00"since it's not wajib"-----niqab is wajib accordin..."since it's not wajib"-----niqab is wajib according to some scholars. the way they interpret the ayah you quoted in your post is interesting...it's a VALID view and people DO follow it. so even if I personally dont think niqab is wajib, there are ppl who do, and I respect that.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I think if any government bans it, it's ok."<BR/><BR/>if westerners can wear mini skirts and roam around in malls in the countries like the UAE, then muslim women should be allowed to cover themselves completely in the west.<BR/><BR/> "And today in the West, it's more of a hindrance and something that does NOT fit in the culture at all, masquerading as Islam"<BR/><BR/>true, but if you go by what the society thinks then you're gonna get nowhere. if you do something for the sake of Allah, he'll make it easy for you. following Islam wasnt part of *culture* during the Prophet's time either. but they were patient and did dawah..i think women who wear niqab should try their best to promote a good image of Islam and not isolate themselves from the society.youngMuslimahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-25398029788858378592008-10-21T09:22:00.000-04:002008-10-21T09:22:00.000-04:00Since it's not wajib, therefore not a requirement ...Since it's not wajib, therefore not a requirement of Islam, I think if any government bans it, it's ok. And today in the West, it's more of a hindrance and something that does NOT fit in the culture at all, masquerading as Islam.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-68616387297660166982008-10-21T01:24:00.000-04:002008-10-21T01:24:00.000-04:00so i guess the topic is now changed to whether its...so i guess the topic is now changed to whether its wajib to wear a niqab. I personally dont believe covering your face is obligatory, but it is something I want to do b/c it was the sunnah of the ummatul mu'mineen. they were the best women who ever lived and should be the role models of all muslim women and not Paris Hilton, Angelina etc..<BR/>Again i'm not saying every muslim woman should wear niqab, it's a personal choice. but saying things like it's cultural is totally absurd. how can it be when the mothers of the believers wore them? it IS a part of Islam. yes i know there are ppl who wear niqab out of cultural reasons, like in saudi arabi/yemen etc a lot of women cover their face cos its expected from them. but again there are lots of women who wear niqab cos they believe it's wajib, which by the way is onbe of the valid views. there are differences in opinion, so you can follow whatever you want. and Allah knows best.<BR/><BR/>something that you may find interesting to read- <BR/><BR/>http://www.islamtoday.net/english/showme2.cfm?cat_id=29&sub_cat_id=1050youngMuslimahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-37298606099113877342008-10-20T10:23:00.000-04:002008-10-20T10:23:00.000-04:00At the risk of rehashing what I said here, I belie...At the risk of rehashing what I said here, I believe the niqab was practiced by the Mother of the Believers and it <I>may</I> have been obligatory on them but it's certainly not obligatory on the rest of the Muslim women. Mother of the Believers had special laws applicable only to them (such as no permission to remarry after death of Prophet pbuh and such).<BR/><BR/>If there are women who think niqab is fard or wajib on them, then they are wrong and this wrong idea should be corrected. Allah does not give Muslims permission to make something that is not fard a fard in Islam, as it creates hardships on others, so niqab is, I repeat, not fard.<BR/><BR/>Most Mother of the Believers who wore niqab actually led quiet lives in their houses - Aisha being one of the few exceptions.<BR/><BR/>I believe there has been enough research done to prove the niqab is cultural, originated from Jewish norms and is not a part of Islam. It is something imposed by culture and therefore should not be made part of Islam.<BR/><BR/>If a women wears it, she should say she is wearing due to cultural reasons or because she feels comfortable in it, not because it is mandated by Islam.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-38774743877998372572008-10-20T04:52:00.000-04:002008-10-20T04:52:00.000-04:00" Being a woman if I talk to a niqaabi woman I fee..." Being a woman if I talk to a niqaabi woman I feel humiliated and uncomfortable. I cannot talk to a mask."<BR/><BR/>do you relaize there might be women who are offended and perhaps humiliated to talk to you when you call yourself a muslim woman and dont wear a hijab?<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Niqaab is a cultural thing - a cultural baggage which is best left at home."<BR/><BR/>IT IS PART OF ISLAM. read sabrina's comment. theres plently of evidence that the mothers of the believers were ordered to cover themselves up.youngMuslimahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-84556501054342529072008-10-20T04:44:00.000-04:002008-10-20T04:44:00.000-04:00ok, first let me make this clear. "I think the Niq...ok, first let me make this clear. <BR/><BR/>"I think the Niqab is old fashioned, outdated, un-Islamic, and not helpful to practicing your religion at all."<BR/><BR/>*gasp*. did you just say unIslamic? are you aware that the ummahatul mu'mineen covered themselves completely as they were ordered to do so in the Qur'an? so you think they were outdated and unIslamic? they covered themsleves from head to toe and were amongst the best women who ever lived. it didnt stop them from being Islamically active. many scholars actaully learned 'ilm from them.<BR/>and how do you know it doesnt help you in practicing Islam? Ive tried wearing it and it definitely elevates the level of my eman. of course this doenst mean every woman feels that way..only those who wear it out of their own choice...<BR/><BR/><BR/>" Some Muslim women are the first to say, judge me not by what I wear but what I am. And they are the first to pass judgment on a women not wearing the hijab. The courtesy of such a judgment extends both ways, sister."<BR/><BR/>yes its wrong but a muslim woman who doesnt wear hijab is still sinning. two wrongs dont make a right.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"In Saudi Arabia, where some men are lecherous pigs who do not know how to behave with a women, the niqab is a necessity. In the West, the niqab is a barrier."<BR/><BR/>since when did hijab become geographical? i find this reasoning completely illogical. so besides saudi arabia, in the rest of the world, where men know how to behave w/ women, a sister should take her hijab off? ( i know you're speaking abt niqab here, but do you realize some women hold the view that niqab just liek the hijab is wajib?)<BR/>I wont speak of the west, as i live in the east, but let me tell you mezba, niqab is a barrier cos thats what it's worn for! to create a barrier b/w you and the non-mahram men. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"From the rules of pilgrimage, we know that a women must NOT keep her face covered while on Hajj."<BR/><BR/>I find you post so self-contradicotry. first you start off saying niqab is unIslamic. then you quote a hadith saying a woman is not required to cover her face and hands while in ihram. doenst this prove some women during the Prophet's time did indeeed cover their faces? doenst that prove niqab is a part of Islam?<BR/><BR/> <BR/>"Clearly therefore, Allah does not think that a women who does not cover her face is immodest. Why then, must a women cover her face?"<BR/><BR/>well, i can think of a few reasons.<BR/><BR/>- maybe she feels more modest in it.<BR/>-maybe she wants to follow the sunnah of the ummahtul mu'mineen.<BR/>- maybe she wants to create a *barrier* b/w herself and the non-mahram men.<BR/>-maybe she wants to take her hijab to the next level to please Allah.<BR/>-maybe she is of the opinion its wajib (which is one of the acceptable views)<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I wish all Muslim women would STOP wearing the niqab and the burqa. Simple hijab, yes. Niqab, no."<BR/><BR/>when you say the burqa do you mean the abayah?youngMuslimahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-37170460706833096282008-10-20T02:30:00.000-04:002008-10-20T02:30:00.000-04:00ok, i got lots to say, lil buys right now..in the ...ok, i got lots to say, lil buys right now..in the meantime you read this:<BR/><BR/>http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?t=27319youngMuslimahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-81356435326593746902007-01-21T15:47:00.000-05:002007-01-21T15:47:00.000-05:00i totally agree with anon above n with sabrina's c...i totally agree with anon above n with sabrina's comments...<br />abt ur comment "But wearin the niqab means you are hardly interacting with anyone" jus wanted 2 clarify sum of my frenz r niqabis n they are university goin engineering n life sci ppl, they definitely have a lot of interaction n its not just restricted to muslims infact the ones i noe interact mostly with non-muslims. ppl r quiet tolerant n friendly towards them...<br />also i don't like the way ppl generalize i mean just because u've met someone who wears a niqab n feels tht they're spiritually above others does not mean every niqabi feels that way. <br />neways Wearing a niqab is a very tough n courageous decision i respect it, n those that take the decision with the right intention know that niqab is not the only requisite of a gud muslimah, its just one of the many steps to please Allah.<br />in short i think this post is an example of intolerance, its ok 2 post ur opinion n disagree on the importance of a niqab but sayin that someone should not be allowed to wear a niqab is being intolerant. n isn't Canada supposed to be a mosaic? so y object on someone's way of dressing if its not a hindrance to anyone. n plz don't say that its a hindrance becoz other ppl can't talk to niqabis they're "frightening" n things like tht if u feel uncomfortable its ur choice not to speak to them...simple as that!<br /><br />btw i find all ur posts really interesting n enjoyable...(im one of the secret lurkers lol) but this post i had 2 comment on coz i totally disagree with it...but i luv the results of this post... the fact that it has encouraged a healthy, polite n ofcourse balanced debate.Asmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17230562755824800322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1162747768300558682006-11-05T12:29:00.000-05:002006-11-05T12:29:00.000-05:00Hi,I'm a month too late for this discussion but I ...Hi,<BR/><BR/>I'm a month too late for this discussion but I wanted to put in my two cents worth!<BR/><BR/>As the non-hijabi, non-niqabi daughter of a niqabi mother living in the West I'd like to express my view on the topic of niqabi women unsettling some people in the West and being 'cut off' from Western society. <BR/><BR/>My mother and I disagree on matters of religion so I do not enter into debates about the religous reasons behind her choice to wear the niqab. Rather, I respect her decision to wear the niqab as a purely personal choice.<BR/><BR/>My middle aged niqabi mother has recently completed a diploma in Children's Services and has a particular interest in working with children with special needs. She goes to the gym, shops for her family, eats out at restaurants and generally does a multitude of ordinary things that many people think niqabis are either unwilling or unable to do. <BR/><BR/>If, in the course of her daily life, some people feel uncomfortable about her attire that is entirely their business- not hers. I have sometimes felt ill at ease with people with an 'anti-social' appearance -bikies with heavy beards and tattoos and punks with spiked up hair and piercings and so on. However, I view my discomfort in their presence as a sign of my own prejudice, NOT that their right to dress as they choose should be compromised.<BR/><BR/>The niqab is a piece of cloth that has different meanings to different people. Some elevate it to the position of supreme symbol of piety, others dismiss it as an irrelevant and backward tradition while others still see it an oppressive and misogynistic practice. In my opinion, the only view that is relevant is that of the woman wearing the pieve of cloth- the niqabi herself.<BR/><BR/>Some may say my mother is the exception to the niqabi norm but even if that were true (which I do not necessarily agree believe) that is beside the point. The point is RESPECT CHOICE.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for putting up with my long post!<BR/><BR/>AHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160826466820388862006-10-14T07:47:00.000-04:002006-10-14T07:47:00.000-04:00say dude what the hey? i am a hijab wearer-i don't...say dude what the hey? i am a hijab wearer-i don't appreciate your thoughts on women who wear hijabs. not very nice.<BR/><BR/>secondly, women who wear niqaab are still women underneath. niqaabi haters dehumanize them with all this talk. not nice, not fair. actually quite ugly.<BR/><BR/>i don't believe niqaab is required by religion, I do see niqaab more strongly encouraged in various cultural contexts than others, and I don't like the line of reasoning used in places where there is a lot of "niqaab is a farz" and "niqaab is a sign of a high level of religion" talk. Nor do I appreciate the highly misogynistic atmosphere in the locales where face covering is most common. I am aware that the dynamics are different among Muslims in the West, and there it is even more of a CHOICE for women who want to put on a face covering. <BR/><BR/> Niqaabis ARE STILL REGULAR PEOPLE. Don't let your visceral reaction to a cloth make you forget it.<BR/><BR/>As for Straw, he is Western whitey privileged good ole boy. For many people like him, seeing ethnic and religious minorities in his country makes him uncomfortable when these minorities adhere to cultural/religious norms of their communities by sporting clothing, mannerisms, style, hair-dos, coverings, etc., that mark them as not wanting to "assimilate." I see his vitriol against niqaabis as racsim, plain and simple. At that, his racist attitude is set in the context of the current politics of The War on Izzzlamb and terror and all that yada. How can the two be disconnected? Straw has a platform to rent his discriminatory, racist thoughts on niqaabis because of the current atmosphere, whereas otherwise he wouldn't be able to make such racist statements without normal social constraints against politicians sounding like Klan members in public in civil society.<BR/><BR/>anyway mezba, gotta disagree w/ u on this post.<BR/><BR/>peace.luckyfatimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401964343346156712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160723984603069002006-10-13T03:19:00.001-04:002006-10-13T03:19:00.001-04:00Mezba, I agree with you. Being a woman if I talk t...Mezba, I agree with you. Being a woman if I talk to a niqaabi woman I feel humiliated and uncomfortable. I cannot talk to a mask. <BR/><BR/>Having said that, I also don't believe in too much freedom of everything - speech, actions, expression etc. Too much freedom must always end up huting someone's feelings. <BR/><BR/>Niqaab is a cultural thing - a cultural baggage which is best left at home. OK, I'll post on this on my blog and copy some of the BS I have written here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160578466327529832006-10-11T10:54:00.000-04:002006-10-11T10:54:00.000-04:00MM (8.06 am): Never faced the issue in Canada, I t...MM (8.06 am): Never faced the issue in Canada, I think most people understand here. Some people will be bigots no matter what.<BR/><BR/>Sabrina: Keep writing - I will be visiting your blog for no doubt your interesting take on the issue.<BR/><BR/>Farah: As MM said, some people define "interact" to another level. I think when we come here as immigrants, we need to compromise a little and the people here need to compromise a little. They should allow turbans in the RCMP and headscarves in the police forces, we should voluntarily forgoe the niqab.<BR/><BR/>Sonia: I am aware of the group. I used to read up on their website before. However I find any Muslim who talks about "reform" but lacks the basic knowledge of things Islamic to be without any credibility. I am fine with Muslims speaking of tolerating other Muslims who for example drink however saying we can 'reinterpret' Islam to allow drinking is going a bit too much. Islam is pretty clear on certain things - such as drinking, premarital sex, homosexuality, men leading mixed congregation prayers and so on. Once the group decided to imbibe those values as part of "progressive" Islam I tuned out.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160516417215636292006-10-10T17:40:00.000-04:002006-10-10T17:40:00.000-04:00going slightly off topic - i'd be interested to he...going slightly off topic - i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the Progressive Muslim Union of North America. No one this side of the Atlantic appears to have heard of them ( except the fatwa-issuing types)..<BR/><BR/>http://www.pmuna.org/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160395394416221932006-10-09T08:03:00.000-04:002006-10-09T08:03:00.000-04:00If a person doesn't want to wear niqab they do not...If a person doesn't want to wear niqab they do not have to. But the principles of freedom and liberality that so many of these anti-niqabers like Jack Straw and Nonie Darwish claim to hold demand that a woman who wants to wear niqab is allowed to do so without being harassed otherwise those values are a mirage and do not go deeper than the veil.Ify Okoyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141947704846852748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160364142109465352006-10-08T23:22:00.000-04:002006-10-08T23:22:00.000-04:00Since most muslims feel uncomfortable talking to a...Since most muslims feel uncomfortable talking to a niqabi, it follows Jack Straw will be even more uncomfortable, and atleast he was honest in saying so. What I dont understand is the self importance of some people who wear the niqab and think this makes them better Muslims than one who doesn't. I am sorry but you want to live in this society you interact with it.<BR/><BR/>- FarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160321263299564992006-10-08T11:27:00.000-04:002006-10-08T11:27:00.000-04:00Thank you mezba for your response!I appreciate the...Thank you mezba for your response!<BR/>I appreciate the fact here, we all happen to disagree with each other, but AGREED to disagree in a civilized manner, and Alhamdulillah, that makes me proud!<BR/><BR/>Lakum deenukum waliya deen!<BR/><BR/>Salam!<BR/><BR/>~sabrinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160309213868539712006-10-08T08:06:00.000-04:002006-10-08T08:06:00.000-04:00If you dont like the Niqab, dont wear it or dont m...If you dont like the Niqab, dont wear it or dont marry a girl who does!<BR/><BR/>As I said previously, today they are criticising the Niqab, tomorrow they will criticize Muslims who dont integrate by not drinking in pubs or by demanding prayer areas.<BR/><BR/> And yes, some Muslims are seen to be "not blending" when they dont join their colleagues for a beer. <BR/><BR/>MMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160302762456715672006-10-08T06:19:00.000-04:002006-10-08T06:19:00.000-04:00Again, to come back to the topic, it's not what we...Again, to come back to the topic, it's not what we think of the niqab or the hijab but it's Jack Straw's comments. As a non-muslim he has the right to say what he did and the <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/5413352.stm" REL="nofollow">reaction of the muslim community</A> in Britain should go a long way in proving the maturity/immaturity of the community. As can be seen from this panel, most are supportive.<BR/><BR/>See also: <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5413012.stm" REL="nofollow">Jack Straw gets his debate</A>mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160290410855621032006-10-08T02:53:00.000-04:002006-10-08T02:53:00.000-04:00Em: Noted.Aisha: Another minister has now joined t...Em: Noted.<BR/><BR/>Aisha: Another minister has now <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5416732.stm" REL="nofollow">joined</A> the "row".<BR/><BR/>Sabrina: wow, it's going to take some time to parse your comment *grin* but let me try.<BR/><BR/>First there are some things the Prophet told us not to try and emulate him - sawmul wisal (24+ hr fast being one of them). Similarly, there are some instructions given to Ummal Mumineen and meant for them only. Remaining unmarried as a widow is one of them. I believe niqab could be the other one.<BR/><BR/>See, I am having trouble connecting with the girl who decided to be homeschooled and give up contact with the world. That is not my Islam where women are to shun contact away from the world. There is nothing wrong with going to school for knowledge. Yes there are temptations but the struggle is truly when you can learn to control those temptations. I won't say anything more.<BR/><BR/>Liya: I know quite a few uncle and aunties who will say that girl is good because she is a hijabi. What I try to tell them is that hijab alone does not make good or bad.<BR/><BR/>Sonia: I didnt know about the lifting of the ban by Imperial.<BR/><BR/>Also, it's true that when women are harrased first question that people ask is what was she wearing. Here I have to be cautious, while it's not the women's fault that the men are misbehaving, if the woman is smart she would dress according to the locality. It won't be my fault if I am mugged, but I would not count money at 2 am in the open in Jane and Finch (a bad area of Toronto), if you know what I mean.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160284217797471822006-10-08T01:10:00.000-04:002006-10-08T01:10:00.000-04:00the other thing in the whole hijab issue that goes...the other thing in the whole hijab issue that goes beyond what the women are wearing and should they be wearing it is the reaction on the part of the men. it seems to be there's some sort of relationship between how much the women cover up and how lecherous the men are. and not necessarily in the way some people might think it is. <BR/><BR/>so as you rather amusingly point out, a lot of men in Saudi Arabia are rather lecherous - and the women are all cloaked up. so the standards change - are the men behaving themselves better? or are they lowering their standards of behaviour? i can say safely im far less harassed on the streets of London than on the streets of Dhaka. What might that suggest?<BR/><BR/>in any case i don't see why men should wriggle out of their responsibility as adults to control themselves - hey they ain't the only ones with sexual desires. but the Mullahs would have us think so and that it's the job of the women to keep them at bay. Modesty is modesty obviously but unfortunately the Mullahs are allowing men to think they don't have any agency or responsibility for themselves by shoving all the attention on how women should be behaving/wearing etc. Frankly they ought to be keeping their minds on other things. Very unfair in my opinion.Would it be seemly if i went and said to some man in a mosque oh excuse me your trousers are too tight i can't concentrate? no of course it wouldn't. WHy i should be keeping my eyes to myself! chi chi etc. <BR/><BR/>If they keep on like that i don't see how they can pretend the are being fair to women. And it looks bad on the religion that's what.<BR/><BR/>Personally that's why i wouldn't wear the hijab - if a man can't control himself if he looks at my hair, that ain't my problem - he needs to go to some civilized behaviour classes, or meet more women. Men need to get this message loud and clear. Actually I think most men are sensible about this but there's a small minority..<BR/><BR/>in a way i feel it sexualizes hair completely unnecessarily - in a similar way as excessive segregation fails to normalize behaviour between the sexes and actually makes contact when it happens far more sexual.<BR/><BR/>but in any case, its a woman's right to wear what she likes. <BR/><BR/>but i hear you about some women in hijabs being negative about other women who don't...a lot of unpleasantness about how 'you'll go to hell'. Not very nice or charitable is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160283251701832932006-10-08T00:54:00.000-04:002006-10-08T00:54:00.000-04:00interesting points. by the way, Imperial College ...interesting points. <BR/><BR/>by the way, Imperial College lifted the hoodie ban within about a month of the ban..the Union kicked up a fuss and they couldn't really sustain it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160260837578699942006-10-07T18:40:00.000-04:002006-10-07T18:40:00.000-04:00@ Sabrina, I'm just curious, why shouldn't my opin...@ Sabrina, I'm just curious, why shouldn't my opinion be low of girls who wear hijab to get a guy? My opinion of girls who wear nothing at all to get a guy is just as low. It sounds like a ridiculous reason to wear one. And a lot of girls let it be known that that's why they wear it... and I'm not just saying that, people I KNOW wear it for all the wrong reasons. I'm not trying to make any judgements on anyone's intention, only God knows the truth, but I'm saying that this is fact as it's from their mouths themselves! <BR/><BR/>I have nothing against the hijab and I think it's a beautiful thing, I'm just saying it should be worn for the right reason that I suppose "most muslims" don't seem to know...'liyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09682312785305176809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160253068537698552006-10-07T16:31:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:31:00.000-04:00Salam! Thank you for taking time to reply, Mezba!S...Salam! Thank you for taking time to reply, Mezba!<BR/><BR/>Since you have so many readers, I just thought we needed some more elaboration. <BR/>Tahajjud was fard on Prophet (pbuh). However, the Prophet, because of its such enormous benefit, also did express his (pbuh) wish about making it obligatory on the Muslims, "had it not been a hardship on them. and religion is not meant to be a hardship for anyone. But given that our Prophet would do it every night, shouldn’t we at the very least make an effort to emulate his way, out of our love for him? If we can emulate the hottest model in town just because we think s/he is hot, why couldn’t we emulate our Prophet, who, by most description, was a beautiful human being, inside and out?<BR/><BR/>In the same token, the argument I meant to make, which I didn't get to complete is that, the women that wear niqab tell that you are supposed to follow your mothers, out of love and respect for them and hence emulating their way of life, no less. And in that case, it is extremely important for them to wear niqab. Just like a guy should let his beard grow as a sign of emulating the Prophet (pbuh), or a Muslim leaves his bed for tahajjud. It of course shows a higher level of Taqwa, doesn’t it? So if someone puts herself for the challenge, I will be the first one to support and help her through the process as long as we have mutual respect for each other. <BR/><BR/>"But I cannot criticize Jack Straw's fear of the veil when most Muslims feel the same way."<BR/><BR/>Again, I have to admit, I did not even read Straw's article. I was responding to your writings. *sheepish face* Sorry! =I<BR/><BR/>But, when you say “most” Muslims, most Muslims these days are cultural Muslims. Most Muslims don't even do the minimum, (i.e. five prayers, siyam, hajj, zakat, hijab). Most Muslims are Muslim because of their parents, they didn’t even take the time to read the Quran or Ahadaith and hence know very little about their obligations as Muslims. If a person dies in our community, I can bet any amount of money that, “most” Muslims will have NO idea how to wash a dead body, even though “most” Muslims should have some working knowledge about that. So, there your definition of "most" Muslims is "most" because they don't even do the minimum thing, let alone thinking about going beyond the minimum passing grade, and niqaab is a lot more than just minimum.<BR/><BR/>About niqaabis' jihad: I met Shaykh Yusuf Estes' daughter and had a conversation with Yusuf Estes himself. The daughter was 16, and SHE decided not to go to school, and rather be home schooled, and SHE decided to wear niqab, and SHE decided to travel around with her father help him do da'wa. A 16 yr old, being home schooled, giving upon her dreams of going to a big name college, making money, all that!! You don't think that's Jihad??? A 16 yr old white girl, born and raised in America, no boyfriend, no party, no hanging out with friends, and all for the sake of Allah, you don't think that's jihad?? Shaykh Yusuf Estes was asked by us ( a bunch of girls) about niqaab and he told us that scholars had agreed upon that niqaab is not fard, however, if you can do it and want to do it for the sake of Allah, do you not think you will be rewarded. And he also told us his wife’s story that one time they were driving in Phoenix or somewhere crazy hot at night and his wife was getting really really warm. And when he said she should take off her niqaab, as this is in the middle of the night and really hot, she said sternly, “I wear it for Allah, not you.” And since then he never told her anything about her niqab. And niqab is a BIG deal, and all niqabis do take it seriously.<BR/><BR/>And with all due respect, I will say one more thing, and I will depart. "Some girls wear hijab to get a guy" or something like that!!<BR/>SubhanAllah, nothing could sound more derogatory than this to my ears. It saddens me to see how people look at these things with so much negativity and disdain. I went to Bangladesh this past summer and the only thing all the annoying aunties got past me was that I was getting flipping old, and about to go to grad school (hence over educated for any guy), and I will never get a guy because I have a hijab on, and how bucolic and uncultured I appear. And I tried my best to get a message across that I wouldn’t marry a guy like that anyway; and of course I am better than any of the guys being talked about, which sounds arrogant, but I am glad I said that. And then I come here and see this. Sad part is, we are in the western world and call ourselves modern and what not but still have not been able to look at ourselves as human beings, we can’t comprehend ourselves to be anything beyond our gender identity. We can’t look at a single girl and NOT think about her pitifully about her single status, even though she may be perfectly happy. We look at her, and think everything she does she does it to get a guy. SubhanAllah, how low is our opinion of our fellow sisters? Why do we make judgments on people’s intention? What do we know about what’s inside someone’s heart?<BR/><BR/>This discussion reminds me of the iftar of BD Association of New England that my mom almost forced me to go, because she was craving some Bengali touch, even though I don’t care AT ALL about this whole culture thing. At the iftar, I felt a conspicuous exclusion. A hall full of 300-400 Bengalis, sigh no one looked like me. <BR/>Should I be comfortable around them? Or should they be comfortable around me? Which way should I construct my question? One lady thought I was overly religious because I said, "Alhamdulillah, I am all right". The word Alhamdulillah scares people, but the kuffar says, "thank God," all of a sudden it's completely acceptable! <BR/><BR/>What is going wrong with this ummah? Really!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Once again, sorry about such a long response!. I promise I won't come back to this topic again, inshaAllah! <BR/><BR/>Wassalam! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160250064333753272006-10-07T15:41:00.000-04:002006-10-07T15:41:00.000-04:00Mezba, I agree with every word. I dont want to say...Mezba, I agree with every word. I dont want to say more because I've seen such debates get ugly, so I shall refrain from saying more. But I appreciate that you presented another perspective.Aishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756390674173743871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-1160244155802059492006-10-07T14:02:00.000-04:002006-10-07T14:02:00.000-04:00Salaam.I fully endorse MM's first paragraph.And Sa...Salaam.<BR/>I fully endorse MM's first paragraph.<BR/><BR/>And Sabrina, amazingly well-put, ma sha Allah! I agree with what you said on this 100%.Emhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05128688095068202912noreply@blogger.com