tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post3649107680494999235..comments2024-03-25T01:20:22.817-04:00Comments on a bengali in TO: On the ban of Dr Naik (and his "gay-bashing Jew-hating" values)mezbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-20405573953606517722010-09-18T14:00:18.612-04:002010-09-18T14:00:18.612-04:00Musa, funny how he has access to facts the governm...<b>Musa</b>, funny how he has access to facts the government doesn't!mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-23131394803188267882010-07-11T04:09:44.232-04:002010-07-11T04:09:44.232-04:00Also, Dr Zakirs credentials as a doctor become sha...Also, Dr Zakirs credentials as a doctor become shaky when he says stuff as follows (i.e. a woman with more than one partner will give rise to STD's, but a man with more than 1 partner wont):<br /><br /><i>A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is not the case in a man having more than one wife, and none of them having extra-marital sex.</i>Musanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-54919308236911282022010-07-11T04:08:35.073-04:002010-07-11T04:08:35.073-04:00People pointed out that women dont outnumber men i...People pointed out that women dont outnumber men in most countries, and even where they do, its generally women over 60 outnumbering men over 60. And here is the "rebuttal" from Dr Naik's fan:<br /> <br /><i>Polygamy could still be practical even if the population of men were greater than women! Because we must not forget that it is the duty of the man to take care of his wife. Most men today are either poor, in jail, in the army, killed in battle etc. Therefore, there is still a shortage of men for women to get married to. </i><br /><br />In other words, its better for a poor woman to become the 3rd wife of a rich man, instead of marrying a poor man. Dr Zakir's fans should enlighten as to what Fitna will happen when you have hoardes of unmarried poor men, as envisioned in their universe !Musanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-87607570186999251742010-07-09T10:08:25.530-04:002010-07-09T10:08:25.530-04:00Sanju, you are right. The first wife is the only r...<b>Sanju</b>, you are right. The first wife is the only real LEGAL wife.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-28959104408094932852010-07-08T22:17:55.082-04:002010-07-08T22:17:55.082-04:00I saw your comment on the MM post... and this is t...I saw your comment on the MM post... and this is the reply I wrote to one of the people arguing with you:<br /><br />"In the case where the husband is injured, only immediate family (AKA first wife) would be allowed to see him. That is proof enough that the wives aren’t equal."<br /><br />Yeesh.Sanjuhttp://www.ceruleansan.deviantart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-34802958490970713672010-07-08T11:17:26.628-04:002010-07-08T11:17:26.628-04:00According to this page, Dr Naik says,
"In th...According to <a href="http://www.institutealislam.com/answers-to-non-muslims-by-dr-zakir-naik/" rel="nofollow">this page</a>, Dr Naik says,<br /><br /><i>"In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and <b>of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites.</b> The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males."</i><br /><br />I wonder HOW he knows that 33% of NYC men are gay?<br /><br />And this is where he uses the word "public property".<br /><br /><i>Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes ‘public property’. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.</i>mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-64995704733253232952010-07-07T09:53:03.306-04:002010-07-07T09:53:03.306-04:00Musa, they should take a look at the rape statisti...<b>Musa</b>, they should take a look at the rape statistics in Pakistan!mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-83158086491827993672010-07-07T03:55:51.033-04:002010-07-07T03:55:51.033-04:00Echoing YoungMuslimah, I have lost count of how ma...Echoing YoungMuslimah, I have lost count of how many FOB-ish desis start arguments with "A woman is raped every x minutes in the USA while crime rate in Saudi Arabia is negligible due to the Shariah law".<br /><br />Their argument fails on many counts, not least the fact that certain Arab countries jail rape victims (happened in Dubai recently, the woman was also disowned by her family for bringing shame).<br /><br />But such people, and they are a significant number, always keep repeating "decadent, immoral west" like a mantra while praising Saudi Arabia....Musanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-22410785230427483612010-07-06T13:16:51.271-04:002010-07-06T13:16:51.271-04:00Youngmuslimah, exactly. Zakir Naik is an expert pe...<b>Youngmuslimah</b>, exactly. Zakir Naik is an expert perhaps on comparing religions, but not a scholar of Islam himself. He also highly idealises the life in Muslim countries, whereas it's not so in reality. People should take him with a grain of salt. Having said all that, it was not right to ban him.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-74710076837989190972010-07-06T10:58:21.707-04:002010-07-06T10:58:21.707-04:00i grew up on zaki naik's lectures and i'll...i grew up on zaki naik's lectures and i'll admit he is an expert in comparitive religion but he's no scholar. i actually heard him use the term 'public property' too and find it quite offensive. i'm not married so does that make me a 'public property'? I thought in islam a muslim woman is asked to dress modestly so that they dont become 'public property'.<br />Moreover, i totally hate the way he compares the rate of rapes in saudi arabia and the US. I grew up in ksa and let me tell you it's not the perfect society as zakir naik makes it out to be.<br />Khair you'll never agree with someone 100% so take the good and ignore the bad..anyway, this should not be the reason behind his ban. What he said about the terrorist thing was totally taken out of context. If zaki naik had a contact email or something, i would definitely take my concerns up with him.youngMuslimahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-72096215939905599962010-07-06T04:15:58.843-04:002010-07-06T04:15:58.843-04:00i grew up on zaki naik's lectures and i'll...i grew up on zaki naik's lectures and i'll admit he is an expert in comparitive religion but he's no scholar. <br />i actually heard him use the term 'public property' too and find it quite offensive. i'm not married so does that make me a 'public property'? I thought in islam a muslim woman is asked to dress modestly so that they dont become 'public property'. <br />Moreover, i totally hate the way he compares the rate of rapes in saudi arabia and the US. I grew up in ksa and let me tell you it's not the perfect society as zakir naik makes it out to be. <br />Khair you'll never agree with someone 100% so take the good and ignore the bad..anyway, this should not be the reason behind his ban. What he said about the terrorist thing was totally taken out of context. If zaki naik had a contact email or something, i would definitely take my concerns up with him.youngMuslimahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102054502431934540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-40318746354847830382010-07-04T13:36:40.330-04:002010-07-04T13:36:40.330-04:00Suroor, it reminds me of Abu Bakr's statement ...<b>Suroor</b>, it reminds me of Abu Bakr's statement after the death of the Prophet.<br /><br />"He who worshiped Muhammad should know that Muhammad is dead. He who worships Allah should know that Allah is Eternal and can never die."<br /><br />Nowadays, many in our community are so blindly into hero worship they can't even see it.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-10886286468490185862010-07-04T02:37:45.475-04:002010-07-04T02:37:45.475-04:00A major human flaw is that we quickly make humans ...A major human flaw is that we quickly make humans into idols. The idea of supporting someone who thinks like us is so grand, and I would also say egoistic, that we can fight tooth and nail to support that person. <br /><br />The ardent fans of any celebrity including Naik suffer from that same flaw. I love Hamza Yusuf but I disagree with him at times and I can't support him blindly. I actually agree more with Khalid Abou Fadl but again if he is wrong he is wrong.<br /><br />That is why Mezba I totally support your comment on MM. Well done!Suroorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07151400258859526990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-22031631338916801582010-07-04T02:02:39.261-04:002010-07-04T02:02:39.261-04:00Of course Islam allows polygamy but lets not manuf...<i>Of course Islam allows polygamy but lets not manufacture reasons to justify it.</i><br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />And then they always go on to portray men as beasts who NEED a whole variety of women to remain satisfied and how women should follow the noble example of the Companions and be co-wives.<br /><br />One of the participants (speakers) at the recent Journey of Faith (where Dr Naik was to have spoken) has multiple wives despite living in the West. <br /><br />Here is what I wrote on <a href="http://muslimmatters.org/2010/06/23/muslim-preachers-zakir-naik-bilal-phillips-denied-entry-into-uk/" rel="nofollow">MM</a>:<br /><br /><i>How can someone be married ‘shariah’ wise if one cannot be married officially? In Islam the marriage IS official registration of the marriage, telling everyone about it. If the second and third and fourth wives are not official wives, then what are they?<br /><br />In Islam you have to treat all your wives equally. A man who by law of the land cannot have more than one registered wife is not treating his other wives equally, because the 2nd, 3rd and 4th wife do not have equal rights, the same right as the 1st wife, under law.<br /><br />Therefore a man hell bent on marrying more than one wife, sharia-wise, should migrate to a country where multiple marriages are allowed. Otherwise he is not treating his wives equally, and is committing a major injustice. Therefore in my eyes he is NOT fit to be a scholar because he is not doing justice to his family – the ones who have the greatest right on him.</i><br /><br />Apparently this wasn't logical and too much for some Dr Naik supporters.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-48979553458279222872010-07-04T01:21:33.633-04:002010-07-04T01:21:33.633-04:00He said something like women outnumber men in almo...<i>He said something like women outnumber men in almost all the countries</i><br /><br />I personally dont understand why this myth keep rearing its head every now and then. Of course Islam allows polygamy but lets not manufacture reasons to justify it.<br /><br />The way Dr Zakir and many other people talk of a huge shortage of men, one would think that there are 10 women for every 8 men in Muslim countries.<br /><br />I am pretty sure that in Muslim countries, women in marriage age outnumber men only in places like Iraq, Chechnya etc.<br />Ironically many Muslim commentators when trying to stress why polygamy is recommended quote the male-female ratio in western countries instead of referring to Muslim countries where women generally dont outnumber men by a large degree. <br /><br />As for Dr Zakir, the reason he is popular is that there are hardly many desi scholars who can speak quickly in fluent English. Dr Zakir does that (albeit in Indian accented English), and suddenly he is the best thing since sliced bread.Musanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-33120464780726189732010-07-01T14:23:02.456-04:002010-07-01T14:23:02.456-04:00Data Cruncher, Ann Coulter is not Canadian, she is...<b>Data Cruncher</b>, Ann Coulter is not Canadian, she is American. Entering Canada for her is a priviledge.<br /><br />Second, Dr Naik and others like him are also reacting to involvment of the West in countries ranging from Middle East, Pakistan to elsewhere. He is entitled to his opinion just as Coulter is to hers. Both are hateful and spiteful and should be denied entry to Canada if equal standards are followed.<br /><br />Your last example is incomprehensible. You should expand on how it relates to this discussion.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-52628925687197518542010-07-01T11:01:14.971-04:002010-07-01T11:01:14.971-04:00Your logic about Ann Coutler is very poor. First o...Your logic about Ann Coutler is very poor. First of all the likes of her is a direct result of 9/11 and later 'efforts' of muslims. If Muslims become civilized and stop terrorizing the west, the likes of her, Michael Savage, Bill O Reilly, Robert Spencer would become jobless.<br />Coming to her, she sprouts anti islamic things as a measure to protect her country, USA. She is entitled to it. Zakir Naik, otoh, talks about other coutries in a disparaging way he has no business about.<br /><br />Lemme give another example which muslims all the time. Germany has made it illegal to deny holocaust IN Germany. They don't expect other countries to follow that and citizens of other countries are allowed to deny holocaust (like actor Mel Gibson).<br />Muslim countries like Pakistan wants entire world to respect their feelings and do not indulge in cartoon drawings of Mohd. How are they similar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-32122629298884126792010-07-01T10:38:41.887-04:002010-07-01T10:38:41.887-04:00Nafees Ahmed, the thing is, I was there at that sp...<b>Nafees Ahmed</b>, the thing is, I was there at that speech. He said women who are not married (when there is a surplus of women) can become 'private property'. <br /><br />Now how wrong this answer is! What about countries where there is a surplus of men? Will he say men must therefore share wives? Will men become 'private property'?<br /><br />The whole notion of explaining polygamy in this fashion is wrong. And no woman will graciously share her husband. Will you want to share your wife? It's exactly the same. <br /><br />He DID say becoming "public property" was a choice left to women who did not marry.<br /><br /><b>Muslim Girl</b>, I don't know who Farat Hashmi is, but I did hear those things said by Dr Naik, as well you can see many of his speeches on youtube.<br /><br />The speech that turned me off Naik was when he vehemently said non muslims should NOT be allowed to preach their religion in a muslim country. Where does he get that junk?<br /><br /><b>Suroor</b>, he is not even an Islamic scholar! His education is on something else! What he is good at, sometimes, is speaking. His views unfortunately are not mainstream Western. I fear that however there are many muslims who think like him.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-3701484258114750302010-07-01T10:25:01.259-04:002010-07-01T10:25:01.259-04:00One Muslim man I can't stand is Zakir Naik. Ho...One Muslim man I can't stand is Zakir Naik. Honestly I don't feel bad that he is being banned although I dislike Coulter more :)<br /><br />BUT, but I appreciate this post and agree with it 100%. I think it is racist profiling.Suroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07151400258859526990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-36624817294335019222010-07-01T10:22:58.155-04:002010-07-01T10:22:58.155-04:00One Muslim man I can't stand is Zakir Naik. Ho...One Muslim man I can't stand is Zakir Naik. Honestly I don't feel bad that he is being banned although I dislike Coulter more :) <br /><br />BUT, but I appreciate this post and agree with it 100%. I think it is racist profiling.Suroorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07151400258859526990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-48164206752932075462010-06-30T17:41:20.830-04:002010-06-30T17:41:20.830-04:00I listened to Dr. Zakir Naik's speeches in the...I listened to Dr. Zakir Naik's speeches in the last Journey of Faith conference and never heard him say anything controversial or anti-Canadian. I don't know about rumours, I mean, if I have never personally heard a speaker say something weird/wrong (which I have heard quite a few), then I'm not going to hate on him. People tend to take things out of context and misunderstand.<br /><br />So many people blame Farhat Hashmi for saying stuff but in all the lectures I have overheard my mom listening to her... she's never said anything wrong or controversial either.<br /><br />I personally like Dr. Naik b/c his arguments are strong, and consider his ban as yet another proof of Canada's hypocritical views.Muslim Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08186097747928125335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-42072674888055898962010-06-30T15:42:49.439-04:002010-06-30T15:42:49.439-04:00I think you used the women becoming "public p...I think you used the women becoming "public property" in the wrong context. I heard that speech from Dr. Naik and it was on the subject of why men can have upto 4 wives (when a non-muslim asked her a question on it).<br /><br />He said something like women outnumber men in almost all the countries. So hypothetically assuming all the men get married and there are women left-over who want to marry but cannot find a man, has two undesirable options: 1) Become abstinent 2) become "public property". <br /><br />So his point was if some women feel sorrow for the unmarried women and graciously share their husbands, then it will relieve the other women from becoming "public property".<br /><br />In no way did he say women who chose not to marry automatically became public property.Nafees Ahmednoreply@blogger.com