tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post1029391241437468701..comments2024-03-25T01:20:22.817-04:00Comments on a bengali in TO: PK The Movie, Religion and Islammezbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-21299591666984165072015-09-09T18:16:32.022-04:002015-09-09T18:16:32.022-04:00Just watched the movie. Very enjoyable--Aamir Khan...Just watched the movie. Very enjoyable--Aamir Khan keeps trying to do unique movies and it really pays off. Although, now that I think about it, SRK did something very similar with <i>My Name is Khan,</i> i.e. a story of a 'simple'-minded person who shows people their own hypocrisy. (Oh, and then Ranbir Kapoor with <i>Barfi.</i>)<br /><br />I think on the whole PK really doesn't go after the spiritual aspects of the religions--it sticks with the material aspects. So yeah, we see send-ups of idolatry, but we're also forced to think about the 'desi' and 'imported' Islamic practices which you mentioned. So I think it consistently goes after one aspect of all religions, kind of proportionately to the relative sizes of the religions in India.<br /><br />About religion causing bloodshed--I just watched the movie in parts over the past two days so I may be forgetting something--but it didn't seem like they say anything about religion causing bloodshed; they do point out that religion <i>separates</i> people from each other into arbitrary ('us-vs-them') groups.<br /><br />Also I don't think the depiction of interfaith marriage is a criticism of religion, it's just a portrayal of what's happening in reality. There are interfaith marriages happening in India and in Pakistan and I think the movie just tries to show that it was just the 'us-vs-them' mentality that was stopping these people from finding happiness.<br /><br />Overall, I have to say I was amazed at this movie. To talk this frankly about religion in a country like India seems incredible. Frankly, this kind of talk is getting people killed in Bangladesh right now. So the way they portrayed this critique of religion, is really commendable. I hope that Aamir Khan makes a sequel, since he left the possibility open.Yawarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13741563704441932843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-8861988704656861252015-01-14T08:16:46.550-05:002015-01-14T08:16:46.550-05:00@Anon, at 303.
I grant you that Hajj has some fai...@Anon, at 303.<br /><br />I grant you that Hajj has some faith elements that "could" strike as superstition to people who don't believe in it.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-89825923294199129312015-01-14T08:15:35.969-05:002015-01-14T08:15:35.969-05:00@Sarmad, thank you. Yep, as I said there are some ...@Sarmad, thank you. Yep, as I said there are some criticisms of religion (and Islam) from PK and that can only be explained away by faith. After all, religion is a faith based activity!mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-45354758636702355162015-01-14T08:14:17.314-05:002015-01-14T08:14:17.314-05:00Ravi,
If you keep shifting the goal posts and run...Ravi,<br /><br />If you keep shifting the goal posts and running away to a new argument every time you are cornered, there's no point in debating. Let's recap:<br /><br />You started by saying no one (Rajkumar Hirani) would make fun of Islam because they like to be alive. I showed you there were movies produced and released (in Pakistan, and India) where they take a critical look at Islam and make fun of religious Muslims. No one died, as far as I know. Your argument didn't even last a simple fact check.<br /><br />Two, you then tried to say those movies were not as serious as PK because PK made a Hindu God in a bathroom! I told you that even Hindus are not finding that scene offensive (because Hindus regularly perform plays where they act the part of God). You then tried to steer the conversation as to why Muslims don't have a scene like that.<br /><br />Next, you posted a news article of something from 1986!!! That showed Muslims rioting over some offensive material. I don't know what it had with PK or your original argument, but whatever. Then I showed you MF Hussain, a much more recent news, who painted Hindu goddesses nude and had to flee India. The fact that he doesn't hate Hindus shows his goodness. Can you honestly tell me no Hindu was upset or didn't protest MF Hussain?<br /><br />Suddenly you shifted to terrorism and terror activities and tried to prove all terrorists are Muslims. And again, sorry to burst your bubble, but again a fact check (from the FBI) proves you wrong.<br /><br />The fact that you desperately (and pitifully) try to give me news articles to prove whatever you are trying to prove at the moment doesn't work. Just because the ethnic cleasing in Burma by Buddhists are not in the news, doesn't mean it isn't occcuring. Overall Numbers and facts triumph over single incidents every time.<br /><br />I will make a prediction for you. Come Valentine's Day, there will be some Hindu thugs in India who will go after celebrating couples because "it is against our culture". And let's not even go after the horrible rape numbers in India. What have they got to do with PK and your original argument? Nothing, of course.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-33963713324039769702015-01-13T15:03:13.841-05:002015-01-13T15:03:13.841-05:00"Superstitions that any intelligent man shoul..."Superstitions that any intelligent man should laugh at are held in high extreme by idol worshippers and pagans". What about haj? Do you consider consider it as a belief of superstition? Do you laugh at the belief that travelling to a distant non-descript place enduring the hardships to kiss a stone and do other rituals will absolve one from all sins?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-72643395377584141722015-01-13T11:37:12.717-05:002015-01-13T11:37:12.717-05:00This is in the same city which itself faced terror...This is in the same city which itself faced terrorism less than a month ago.<br /><br />http://tribune.com.pk/story/821160/rally-in-peshawar-celebrates-charlie-hebdo-attackers/Tambi Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288496189296384896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-88202167667483988652015-01-11T10:26:38.640-05:002015-01-11T10:26:38.640-05:00This is a well balanced commentary from an Islamic...This is a well balanced commentary from an Islamic perspective. I find it strange that a lot of Muslims have uncritically accepted the movie. As you pointed out correctly many of the criticisms of religion are also applicable to Islam e.g., spending money on pilgrimages is applicable to going to the Hajj, the problem is evil (Yasir Qadhi has an Islamically sound argument but it is not philosophically sound), let us also not forget that outer appearance of a person does have a great deal of importance in Islam etc. We as Muslims also believe things which are not rational which is fine. The willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son by his own hands can only be explained by faith and not by logic. In short, let us not universally embrace PK and thank you for your commentary.Sarmadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-20320928793421120532015-01-10T12:37:32.503-05:002015-01-10T12:37:32.503-05:00You might want to read this interview of MFH where...You might want to read this interview of MFH where he mentioned why he moved to Qatar.<br /><br />http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/full-transcript-of-mf-husain-s-interview-17164<br /><br />I don't see a single line in the interview where he showed anger for Hindus or India. All he had was nothing but love. Not like Taslima who has nothing but contempt for Islam. Do you want me to show a link of her interview after Paris Jihad.<br /><br />Sorry keep trying to prove that all religious people are thugs in an equal footing, but better luck next time.<br /><br />In terms of thuggery, muslims beat Hindus by what 100 to 1 ratio in behaving like goons, not only in India but all over the world. You might want to check how right wing parties in Europe talk about stopping muslims from migrating. Want me to send you some links.<br /><br /><br />Here is one teaser for you: In India Dlilip Sekhar became A R Rahman and had a remarkable successful career. Can you show one example of a muslim leaving Islam publicly in an islamic country and living happily. All ex-muslims are living in the west, like Ali Sina, Salman Rushdie, Tarek Fatah.<br /><br />I see that you have conveniently not referred to the news item I showed and countless acts of terrorism committed by muslims IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. I understand your embarrassment. You seem to be a nice person, only embarrassed by what your fellow coreligionist do in the name of religion. Please speak up. Tell muslims to renounce Jihad as it has no place in this day and age.<br /><br />ps: I am an agnostic/atheist who thinks all religions are man made concoctions and I do have issues with hinduism too. I am only happy in one aspect, we are far more liberal and tolerant than muslims. After 9/11 muslims have all but destroyed their name in the western countries.<br />Tambi Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288496189296384896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-64161159524376351862015-01-10T11:34:35.268-05:002015-01-10T11:34:35.268-05:00Ravi, when MF Hussain drew nude paintings of Hindu...Ravi, when MF Hussain drew nude paintings of Hindu goddess and Bharat mata, why didn't the Hindu community (and their leaders) practice tolerance and abate this as freedom of expression? Remember the painter was hounded, threatened, his exhibitions vandalized, lawsuits filed all over the country and all hell broke loose? No one said "there are laws in place" to handle free speech. Then why did people take the streets and create ruckus?<br /><br />If Hussain would have continued in India (remember he moved to Middle East) he would one day be killed by a Hindu who is passionate about his country or his religion (not sure if he would be labeled an extremist though). <br /><br />As for muslim terrorists, read the report by FBI http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-48512337923389674502015-01-09T16:38:27.375-05:002015-01-09T16:38:27.375-05:00You might want to read this news item.
http://ww...You might want to read this news item.<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/1986/12/08/world/4-killed-and-50-hurt-in-riots-over-indian-magazine-article.htmlTambi Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288496189296384896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-11872682316521752172015-01-09T15:14:13.824-05:002015-01-09T15:14:13.824-05:00"As for showing 'God' in a washroom, ..."As for showing 'God' in a washroom, it wasn't god, it was a guy dressed up as God. Apparently Hindus do it all the time and act as gods in plays."<br /><br />Oh yeah. Pls let me know in which movie did anyone acted as Mohd, let alone Allah. I will try to find out whether muslims loved that movie or not.<br /><br />You seem to be a very knowledgeable person about nut cases in another religion. Pls provide examples of mass killing for cartoons done in another religion. It is amazing how despite 24809 (as of today 3.12pm EST), acts of terrorism done by muslims since 9/11, we are being told that all religions have nut cases, hence there is nothing called Islamic terrorism and intolerance.<br /><br />Pls label me as islamaphobic/racist. I will concede defeat.<br /><br />Tambi Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288496189296384896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-44864598225405675622015-01-09T11:12:58.800-05:002015-01-09T11:12:58.800-05:00Hi Ravi,
Don't try to shift the goal posts. Y...Hi Ravi,<br /><br />Don't try to shift the goal posts. You said the reason Islam was left alone in PK (not really true) is so that Hirani wouldn't want to die. I told you movies have been made where the religious people who are Muslim are shown in a very negative light (Bol, KKL). Not to mention the thousands of times Bollywood and Hollywood depict Muslims as the bad guys.<br /><br />As for showing 'God' in a washroom, it wasn't god, it was a guy dressed up as God. Apparently Hindus do it all the time and act as gods in plays.<br /><br />Finally, all religions have nut cases. You are hardly one to talk - look at India and the Hindus. Gujarat, anyone? Or the thousands of riots and killings in India? Or the Buddhists burning people in Burma or Sri Lanka?mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-57516229425662037372015-01-08T13:12:37.338-05:002015-01-08T13:12:37.338-05:00I must have missed the scene in KKL/Bol when Mohd/...I must have missed the scene in KKL/Bol when Mohd/Allah was show in bathroom and muslims took it as a joke.<br /><br />Seriously, after Paris Jihad, you have the cheek to tell muslims are tolerant.Tambi Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288496189296384896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-83387825490872264782015-01-07T16:03:11.919-05:002015-01-07T16:03:11.919-05:00@Anon (4.14), without even taking into account wea...@Anon (4.14), without even taking into account weapons, think about the conflict itself. At least when there was religion, there was a reason for the conflict. Nowadays there's no reason at all except greed and racism - the hatred of the other(eg. Nazi). Ask most Americans as to why they were in Vietnam or Panama or even Iraq and you will not get one answer.<br /><br />@Ravi Krishna, really? You must not have seen Khuda Ke Liya or even Bol. They were made in Pakistan, and the filmmakers are still alive.<br /><br />@Anon (5.06), why would they have to? They alluded to it though.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-31758627273302353712015-01-04T17:06:09.546-05:002015-01-04T17:06:09.546-05:00Did PK talk about Jihad?Did PK talk about Jihad?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-31604920076967431272015-01-04T17:04:40.961-05:002015-01-04T17:04:40.961-05:00The only reason Islam was left alone that the Rajk...The only reason Islam was left alone that the Rajkumar Hirani love to see their neck above their head.<br /><br />The fact that Indians by and large loved this movie and the movie is on its way to become the highest grosser of all time, shows the tolerance. Tambi Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288496189296384896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600258.post-50009863282741734612015-01-03T16:14:40.738-05:002015-01-03T16:14:40.738-05:00Don't you think the number of deaths in wars b...Don't you think the number of deaths in wars before 1800s would have been different if they had the weapons they had for WW2, Iraq 1, Iraq 2?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com